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Hi Tobias.

Thank you for your comment. As I remember, I don’t discuss this sonar image of a 12 meters midget submarine at Hävringe 1988 in my 2019 Swedish book, Det Svenska ubåtskriget (The Swedish Submarine War), but I do bring it up in my Stockholm/Gothenburg University report Spelet under ytan from 2009 on page 297-298. This latter volume is also in Swedish. https://cdn.cloud.prio.org/files/19aa02be-e1b9-4fe0-9d0d-deb09c409d24/Spelet-under-ytan.pdf?inline=true

Much of the intrusions into Swedish waters were made deep into the archipelagoes, even into naval bases, and these operations usually continued for several days or even weeks, which would make it impossible to use “wet” vessels like the Triton 2, but it is true that the Hävringe incident was further out, and hypothetically one could imagine a “wet” vessel, but someone must have carried it to the area of operations.

In the 1980s, there were a few small midgets with a small conning tower or “bump” at the bow as shown by the sonar image from Hävringe 1988. The 12-meters submarine is supposedly moving from left to right. Perhaps the estimate of the length is not exact, but it would most likely be more or less correct. The size would have been 11-13 meters or possibly 10-14 meters.

The Soviet “wet” midget submarine Triton 2 was 9.5 meters. It had a “bump” or small conning tower with viewports close to the bow as the sonar image seems to show, but the actual bow of Triton 2 is not considerably lower or narrower than the rest of the submarine. The Royal Navy L-1 (9.5 meters) had also a small conning tower with viewports close to the bow and the aft section is much more similar to the vessel on the sonar image from 1988. The aft section of Triton 2 is long, and it becomes gradually very narrow. This seems to exclude Triton 2.

L-1 was carried to the area of operations by a British Oberon class submarine, while Triton 2 was carried by a surface ship and if such a Soviet ship would have been in the vicinity, we would have known about it. Hypothetically, a Soviet submarine could have been rebuilt to carry a Triton 2, but I have not seen any evidence for that. The Oberon class operated regularly in the Baltic Sea, also along the Swedish coast. The Oberon class was used to land Special Forces along the Swedish coast as a training program for the Swedish Stay Behinds. Although both these midgets, Triton 2 and L-1, seem to have been too small, Triton 2 does not appear as the most likely candidate.

The Italian CEE-22 (9.6 meters) had also a small conning tower with viewports close to the bow and the actual bow is considerably lower or narrower similar to the Hävringe vessel, but similar to Triton 2 and the L-1 it appears to be too small and similar to the Triton 2 the aft section appears to be too narrow. The Italian IMI-35 (15 meters) had also a small conning tower with viewports close to the bow. The aft section is more similar to the Hävringe vessel, but this vessel is rather too big. One might argue that the Baltic Sea is not the typical area for Italian subs, but British submarines are said to have carried small Italian vessels, so both these vessels would still be a candidate.

The U.S. Beaver (8 meters) had also a small conning tower with viewports close to the bow, but it is even smaller than the others, while the Swedish rescue vessel URF (13.9 meters) is larger. It has also a small conning tower with viewports close to the bow and the aft section is more similar to the Hävringe vessel. The Soviet AS-26 (Project 1855) was 13.5 meters. It did not have a very narrow aft section, but it has a slightly higher conning tower and not so close to the bow. It was transported on a very special surface ship.

One might argue that there are several candidates for the Hävringe 1988 vessel, but Triton 2 does not seem to be the most likely candidate.

The Swedish submarine hunt in Hävringe 1988 went on for two weeks. There were supposedly two foreign midget submarines involved. One was this 12 meters’ midget discussed above, and the other was a 20-30 meters small submarine. The sonar images of the latter vessel at Hävringe 1988 are very difficult to interpret. It is even difficult to see what is supposed to be the submarine in these images. The Soviets had a Pyranja (28 meters) that became operative from January 1989. One could possibly imagine the Soviets had used it before it became operative. However, there is a much more likely candidate. U.S. merchant ships (built with support of the U.S. Navy) carried small Italian COSMOS class submarines (23-28 meters) regularly to the Baltic Sea to maintain U.S. hydrophones along the Swedish coast. Such a small Italian vessel is a much more likely candidate, and a very clear sonar image from 1984 seems definitely to indicate such a vessel.

Tobias Ljungvall's avatar

Hi Ola! Just finished reading your 2019 book "The Swedish submarine war". It leaves little room for doubt about those demonstrative violations really having been a US-British psyop. However, our armed forces claim that a sonar picture taken during the 1988 Hävringe incident really does show a Soviet midget submarine:

https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2007/11/bilden-av-en-krankande-ubat/

Unfortunately, they don't say what kind of midget sub it would be. Only that it was estimated to be about 12 meters long.

According to a former sonar operator commenting on Knut Lindelöf's website, the picture shows the shadow of a Soviet Triton 2 (Project 908). Similarities that he points out are the placement of the tower fairly close to the front and that the nose section is lower than the rear body. Pictures I find of the Triton 2 on the internet do not seem to dispute that. The Triton 2 is only 9,5 meters, but perhaps that is compatible with a 12 meter estimate.

Above you say that beacause the Triton 2 is a "wet" submarine it could not have been used for lengthy incursions deep into our archipelago, as our waters would soon get too cold for its crew and divers. But I understand the Hävringe incident did not happen inside the archipelago but rather on the border to open sea . And it is not very clear how long this particular midget sub stayed under water. At least not from the section on it in the official 2001 report that you were involved with (pages 221-229): forsvarsmakten.se/siteassets/6-information-och-fakta/historia/ubatsjakternas-80-tal/perspektiv-pa-ubatsfragan-3

A perhaps interesting point in the 2001 official report is that this was the best attempt ever to really hit foreign subs with bombs and grenades.

Was the Hävringe incident a real Soviet incursion?

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