The author having dinner with the Turkish former Foreign Minister and Defense Minister Ümit Halûk Bayülken at a conference in the town of Side in Turkey in 2004. The historical origin of the Deep State concept In the 1990s, I wrote a couple of draft papers about shadowy forces in Sweden and Italy that were involved in coup attempts linked to the Americans. I found that it was an obvious parallel between these forces and similar forces in Turkey. In Turkey, they were called the “deep state”, also presidents and prime ministers used this concept. There were similar forces in Italy, Greece, Turkey, France, and Sweden, and what they all had in common were their close ties to corresponding forces in the US and sometimes to the UK. In Italy, one had used the concept “lo stato parallelo” to describe these forces. In Sweden, there was no word for it. I saw a similarity between these forces and what Carl Schmitt, in his
When agreements are so secret that they are only possible to express orally, then there is no formal violation of law and no legal entity that is able to enforce discipline. Accordingly, extra-legal use of force is applicable to any region.
"These echelons of extreme secrecy of the security state tend to develop into levels of oral agreements, and such oral agreements will be kept by making its participants enforcing discipline by the use of extra-legal threats and violence executed by a power entity we call the “deep state.""
I know that you have mentioned several times that your friend and colleague Robert Bathurst died unexpectedly after having been warned "not to touch the subject" of submarine incursions, which I interpret as a hint that you think something like this might have happened to him.
Can you think of any examples from Scandinavia where this (strange deaths) might have happened, or is this just applicable for other regions of the world?
''Spectacular domination’s first priority was to make historical knowledge in general disappear; beginning with just about all rational information and commentary on the most recent past. The evidence for this is so glaring it hardly needs further explanation. With mastery the spectacle organizes ignorance of what is about to happen and, immediately afterwards, the forgetting of whatever has nonetheless been understood. The most important is the most hidden. ''
Guy Debord, Comments on the Society of the Spectacle
This is great, Ola! You have my deep respect and admiration for devoting your career to exploring these heavily suppressed issues--matters which are of existential significance to humanity!
When agreements are so secret that they are only possible to express orally, then there is no formal violation of law and no legal entity that is able to enforce discipline. Accordingly, extra-legal use of force is applicable to any region.
You write:
"These echelons of extreme secrecy of the security state tend to develop into levels of oral agreements, and such oral agreements will be kept by making its participants enforcing discipline by the use of extra-legal threats and violence executed by a power entity we call the “deep state.""
I know that you have mentioned several times that your friend and colleague Robert Bathurst died unexpectedly after having been warned "not to touch the subject" of submarine incursions, which I interpret as a hint that you think something like this might have happened to him.
Can you think of any examples from Scandinavia where this (strange deaths) might have happened, or is this just applicable for other regions of the world?
Excellent artice.
''Spectacular domination’s first priority was to make historical knowledge in general disappear; beginning with just about all rational information and commentary on the most recent past. The evidence for this is so glaring it hardly needs further explanation. With mastery the spectacle organizes ignorance of what is about to happen and, immediately afterwards, the forgetting of whatever has nonetheless been understood. The most important is the most hidden. ''
Guy Debord, Comments on the Society of the Spectacle
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/guy-debord-comments-on-the-society-of-the-spectacle#fn2
This is great, Ola! You have my deep respect and admiration for devoting your career to exploring these heavily suppressed issues--matters which are of existential significance to humanity!